I know he wouldn't, but I mean, I'd still be pissed to miss out on it, you know? It's kinda a bullshit popularity contest, but it's also kind of a big deal, in a weird way that I don't just want to ignore? It's complicated to explain, I guess.

[Rich is happy to just talk and play like this. Like there isn't the weird strain between the two of them. Rich can't forget it, but maybe he can sort of put it aside for a while...]